paper space , scale, how does it woork?

[cat3appr]

hello,

 

I have to edit this drawing, photo attached: in the model space there is a vast area of constructions and in paperspace i have a frame that need to adjust each time to box a different structure.

 

Now, as you can see from the screenshot, the border of the paper space ( dashed line, not sure what's the right name ? ) is not correct, it cuts through the drawing.... so how do i set this paperspace dashed border to match with the DWG frame?

 

 

 

At the end what I did was to scale the drawing to match the paper space, using the lower base as a reference ... is this a correct procedure?

Also, how do I fit in the scale 1:100, how can I check if the drawing, in paper space is indeed at 1:100?

Edited March 30, 2017 by cat3appr

[rkent]

Is the drawing border in MS or PS?

Don't scale anything in a drawing. You can apply a scale to the viewport however. Too many things with the word SCALE in AutoCAD, it gets confusing.

First you want to create a viewport in PS that is the correct size for the paper size you want to plot to. Then you apply the scale to the viewport for 1:100.

Post your drawing here, just the title block, remove any company info. Tell us what size sheet you will be plotting to.

[cat3appr]

Is the drawing border in MS or PS?

 

thanks rkent, the drawing border is in PS,

 

i've attached the entire DWG, but there's something wrong with the upload of cadtutor so here's the link to download it: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B12JygCn5zCmNEhGYnpsYmQza3M

 

Don't scale anything in a drawing. You can apply a scale to the viewport however. Too many things with the word SCALE in AutoCAD, it gets confusing.

First you want to create a viewport in PS that is the correct size for the paper size you want to plot to. Then you apply the scale to the viewport for 1:100.

Post your drawing here, just the title block, remove any company info. Tell us what size sheet you will be plotting to.

 

 

i would plot the PS in A4. The scale is already set at 1:100 ... but how can I check this in the DWG? and how to change it? as the scale doesn't appear in the properties... or where shall i look at it?

And in PS, how to set the scale? say that I want it at 1:50, how do i do that?

[Dana W]

Make sure you somehow undo ANY and ALL use of the Scale command in modelspace, then

 

1. Select the viewport border, (this is the only method that does not activate/open the viewport), or

2. Double click inside the viewport, or

3. Click the PAPER/MODEL toggle button on the task bar, then

4. Pick an Annotative Scale from the button on the task bar which makes a pop up scale list to choose from, then

5. Double click outside the viewport somewhere, or

6. Click the PAPER/MODEL toggle again, then

7. Click the little padlock icon on the task bar to lock your viewport after you are happy with your choice of scale.

 

:lol:EEZIE PEEZIE LEMON SQUEEZIE.

[Dana W]

thanks rkent, the drawing border is in PS,

 

i've attached the entire DWG, but there's something wrong with the upload of cadtutor so here's the link to download it: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B12JygCn5zCmNEhGYnpsYmQza3M

 

 

 

 

i would plot the PS in A4. The scale is already set at 1:100 ... but how can I check this in the DWG? and how to change it? as the scale doesn't appear in the properties... or where shall i look at it?

And in PS, how to set the scale? say that I want it at 1:50, how do i do that?

Select the viewport frame itself, then look at the viewport properties.

[cat3appr]

Also, what bugs me, in paper space, the viewport is not locked, see image, but there's an icon in the bottom that says that the scale is locked... ? so isn't it the same thing? how do i unlock that icon scale?

[cat3appr]

thank you, ps my other question was... see the image.... you see the grey dashed frame - the plot space ( or how to call it..? ) - well, shouldnt this match the outer frame of this chart i need to print? see my blue notes, ... so this is something else besides the viewport... how do i make the outside frame of the dwg to match with the plot area?

[cat3appr]

Viewport = grey dashed frame

Your Viewport can match the plot area just drag the grips over.

BUT why would you want to do this. A viewport is a like window into model space. In your case someone has set up the plan viewport so that it does not overlap onto the legend and title block

 

Sorry but i'm getting confused: a viewport it's a port to the modelspace, period. The dashed line i'm referring to it's the polotting area, which is not a vew port per se, it can be made to coincide with the viewport , that's it.

 

So

[hakmawongzi]

It seems to me that the dashed rectangle is the printer area of your default printer for the layout, which you have not setup yet.

[SunnyTurtle]

Sorry but i'm getting confused: a viewport it's a port to the modelspace, period. The dashed line i'm referring to it's the polotting area, which is not a vew port per se, it can be made to coincide with the viewport , that's it.

So

Sorry i misunderstood what you were staying.

You need to modify the Paper size. I am not an expert on this but i believe you can use PAGESETUP command. Or as I mostly set the paper size using the PLOT command and select correct paper size and press Apply to Layout

[Dana W]

One way to lock or unlock a viewport in your version, is to select the viewport frame, right click to get the menu up, and click Display Locked, then click Yes or No. Another way is to select the viewport frame, and type PROPERTIES, then look for Display Locked, and click it - yes or no. If the Viewport (Display) is not locked, then you can change the scale by clicking the scale button on the task bar or by choosing a scale on the Properties box.

 

It is possible to activate a locked viewport in order to change things inside of it, in modelspace. In fact the scale (zoom level) of the viewport is the only thing that can be locked. If you happen to forget and accidentally zoom while working inside an unlocked viewport, simply hit the UNDO before doing anything else. It is not wise to work inside an unlocked viewport.

 

The dashed line in one of your images is selected, and you seem to be referring to it as a printable area frame. It is not possible to select the dashed line that indicates the limits of your printable area.

 

However, it is possible to use a dashed line as a viewport frame, or as a simple rectangle drawn in paperspace to frame some or all of the drawing.

 

The light gray dashed line on the layout indicates the limits of your Printable Area. Nothing will print outside of it. It will vary depending on the size and specification of the paper you choose, and the hardware limits of your printer. The Printable Area cannot be modified for any one paper size/printer combination.

 

Some paper size choices include "Full Bleed" or "Extended" in their nomenclature. Each of the paper sizes using those descriptors has a Printable Area a little larger than those that don't. Standard paper sizes have a printable Area a little over 1/4" inside the edge of the paper. There is no point in placing your viewport frame outside the dashed line, especially if you want your viewport frame to print.

Edited April 1, 2017 by Dana W