Slice command fails with no error

[Dhanrajd]

Hello,

 

I want to slice frustum with plane. I have frustums of various diameters and I slice them at required point slice works fine for most of my frustums, only for particular input diameter it fails and does not give any error. Please find attached dwg file.

 

 

Thanks,

Dhanraj

Slice-Issue.dwg

Edited May 5, 2015 by Dhanrajd
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[Dadgad]

This is pretty strange.

I got a non intersecting disclaimer a bunch of times, although that doesn't appear to be correct.

I usually SLICE with a planar Object (the circle in this case), but I could not get that to work.

The quadrant snaps did not seem to want to be picked up, as I tried to use them to define a 3Point slice plane, eventually got it to work that way.

I won't pretend to understand it.

 

I just went back into the drawing and tried it again, using the planar Object option and it worked fine, being the one with the pink dots on it.

Odd for sure, wish I could explain it.

[Dhanrajd]

Thanks for reply, but I dint understood it .

Actually Plane i am creating with base point as (10,0,0) and X -axis as normal. Or planer geometry Circle is created at center 10,0,0 then it doesn't work. If you slightly move plane or circle from 10,0,0 (even 10.01,0,0) it works fine.

I don't understand why it is not working at particular point .

 

3 point for plane I gave are 10,0,0 - 10,10,0 - and 10,10,10

[Dadgad]

If you have a circle there already, just turn on the QUADRANT osnaps, and select 3 of them with your mouse.

I see no need to enter the 3D coordinates, seems tedious.

 

I am sorry I too find it weird, wish I could explain it to you.

[Dhanrajd]

Thanks for solution, but it will not help me as I am doing all this through lisp and objectArx so I want to understand reason for failure so that I can modify my program for such cases

[Dadgad]

That explains why you are using coordinate entries then.

Good luck with it.

Lots of seriously smart forum members, hopefully somebody else will be able to understand and explain it.

 

As you seem to be using the circle only to define the cutting plane, why is the center point so critical?

As in your first post you mention specific input diameters?

[SEANT]

How was the frustum created? ObjectARX?

[Dadgad]

Okay, no more fooling around, here comes the A Team!

[SEANT]

In this case, I hope the "A" in A Team doesn't mean answers; I don't know what's causing problems either.

 

The GRIP on the cone seams weird. And the cone is mildly elliptical. Still, doesn't seam like that should be a problem.

[Dhanrajd]

Yes , frustum is created by acis modeler api in turn objectArx, and it is elliptical . I have series of elliptical cone and the method works for all only this case is failing and code is very old so I can not simply change the slicing plane coordinates. I will post the input values for frustom.

[Dhanrajd]

Also I am creating frustum at fix co-ordinates so, slicing plane is hard coded at 10,0,0 and x -axis as normal. For all other frustum it works fine

[SEANT]

The 3d Solid modeler seems particularly sensitive to the quirks associated with floating point operation. Would performing the slice routine with scaled geometry, and subsequent re-scale, be an option?

[Dhanrajd]

Thanks SEANT,

This seems to work

Will check for different inputs

[Dadgad]

Would performing the slice routine with scaled geometry, and subsequent re-scale, be an option?

 

Inspirationally devious workaround SEANT!

I knew you'd come up with something.

[Dhanrajd]

Hi SEANT,

 

As expected scaling works for this diameter but creates same issue for frustum with other diameter, currently I tested for hard coded scaling factor of 10. May be I can try with scaling factor based on diameter. Or is there any setting in AutoCAD where I can define floating point tolerances etc which can affect slice.

[SEANT]

If you expect to be dealing with solids at an architectural scale, I'd suggest scaling by a factor of 1000. Essentially, treating units as Meters instead of millimeters.

 

Part of the problem, as related to floating point operations and 3d solids, is how quickly some of the secondary property values escalate. For instance, run the MASSPROP command on the frustum, and look at the magnitude of some of the returned values. Especially the Principal Moments

[Dhanrajd]

I am working on layout diagrams mostly scale is mm or inch , tried with higher scaling factors like 100000, it works for most of cases but still there are cases which fails , As these are just surfaces MASSPROP is not valid.

[SEANT]

. . . . As these are just surfaces MASSPROP is not valid.

 

What are just surfaces?

[Dhanrajd]

as MASSPROP is giving error "No solids or regions selected" I thought these are just surface no solid , but I am wrong the reason for MASSPROP error is different that I will try to find.

[Dhanrajd]

as MASSPROP is giving error "No solids or regions selected" I thought these are just surface no solid , but I am wrong the reason for MASSPROP error is different that I will try to find.

 

 

Could use MASSPROP,

THE VALUES Are

Mass: 49062369.679

Volume: 49062369.679

Bounding box: X: 35418.489 -- 36077.146

Y: 64914.275 -- 65328.765

Z: -250.714 -- 153.000

Centroid: X: 35696.529

Y: 65121.520

Z: -8.768

Moments of inertia: X: 2.081E+17

Y: 6.252E+16

Z: 2.706E+17

Products of inertia: XY: 1.141E+17

YZ: -2.802E+13

ZX: -1.517E+13

Radii of gyration: X: 65121.633

Y: 35697.045

Z: 74263.658

Principal moments and X-Y-Z directions about centroid:

I: 689522537049.509 along [0.986 0.000 0.165]

J: 1.802E+12 along [0.000 1.000 0.000]

K: 1.811E+12 along [-0.165 0.000 0.986