rkent Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 So Autodesk confirmed in their Oct 1 Investors Meeting that perpetual licenses are going away in the next 12 to 24 months. They will start with LT and move from there. I don't think there are any details on what happens to existing perpetual licenses once this is all phased in but with Maintenance subscriptions going away it sounds like your license would be on the pay as you go subscription. I am thinking that 2015 AutoCAD and Inventor are good enough from me (actually 2014) and will not have the company buy anymore subscriptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGAL Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Subscription has always been a problem we have 2015 but run 2013 and it does everything we need in the last few years I will say honestly I have not really seen anything "WOW" that justifys the $12,000 a year for multiple copies. The Civil software I was involved in had a sliding scale 100% for 1st 80% for 2nd 60% 3rd 40% for every one after that. With 12 copies it makes a big cost saving. Biggest problem is 3rd party suppliers supporting older version with new updates which we do see value in. What happens with network versions ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana W Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 That's ok, this'll be my last release. I'll probably be in Way South Florida with my butt in a perpetually licensed beach chair by next year anyway, and won't give any more youknowwhats about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReMark Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 I have a difficult time each year trying to justify the cost of our two Subscriptions to my boss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nestly Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 So Autodesk confirmed in their Oct 1 Investors Meeting that perpetual licenses are going away in the next 12 to 24 months. They will start with LT and move from there. I don't think there are any details on what happens to existing perpetual licenses once this is all phased in but with Maintenance subscriptions going away it sounds like your license would be on the pay as you go subscription. Is there a link to an announcement? It would be quite a departure from what they said a few months earlier. --> LINK Does this mean that Autodesk is completely changing its licensing model to subscription-based offerings only? No. At this time, Autodesk has no plans to change the licensing model across the board for all products. Desktop Subscription, perpetual licenses, and perpetual licenses with Maintenance Subscription will all continue to be a very important part of our portfolio. emphasis added Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkent Posted November 24, 2014 Author Share Posted November 24, 2014 Maybe they didn't have any plans at that time, just thinking about it but no plan. Now they have a plan. http://blog.digitaltutors.com/autodesk-vp-marketing-hints-phasing-perpetual-licenses/ you can go here http://investors.autodesk.com/phoenix.zhtml?p=irol-eventDetails&c=117861&eventID=5169120 and listen to the presentation, skip to about 18:00 and listen for 4 or 5 minutest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nestly Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 It was also suggested that such a large group of license holders were a problem for Autodesk’s culture. Anagnost explained that he believed having such a large group of customers so out of line with current versions was not good for the company’s “ecosystem” or for the customers themselves. “We would like to see everybody on the current release,” he stated.Yeah.... that would be great if they'd start releasing "current" versions that are well tested and actually work better than the previous version(s) We're 8-9 months into the "current" version, and most of the users I know aren't using the "current" version... not because they don't have access to it... but because it's too buggy. Seriously, they're going to decide that staying with the previous version "is not good for the customer" even when the current version is less usable .... that's just brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkent Posted November 24, 2014 Author Share Posted November 24, 2014 It is all about the money first, in August a rep for one of the investment firms asked when perpetual licenses would go away, and Carl Bass response was "when do you think we should do that?". Shows you who is really in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nestly Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Starting in 2015, we will stop selling upgrades to simplify the offering and in recognition of the fact that most of our customers are on Subscription year after year, the company consistently sees 2.9 million customers who are “one to five releases back” on Autodesk’s current versions They're apparently getting their money anyway, I wonder why they think customers that have paid for the new version aren't using it? I just hope they don't start expiring existing perpetual licenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana W Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 I just hope they don't start expiring existing perpetual licenses.It's called discontinued support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nestly Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Autodesk really only supports the current version anyway, so I could not care less about discontinued support. My concern is that they'll expire the license, thereby deactivating the product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkent Posted November 24, 2014 Author Share Posted November 24, 2014 Autodesk really only supports the current version anyway, so I could not care less about discontinued support. My concern is that they'll expire the license, thereby deactivating the product. That is the big question and any answer they give can't be given much weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nestly Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Assuming they do eliminate perpetual licenses and Maintenance subscriptions... I may be in a bit of a non-typical situation. I did a multi-year subscription renewal, so my Subscription is already paid until the 4th quarter in 2016, that's half way through what should be the 2017 product version. I guess I'll find out if they'll honor the contract... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGAL Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 I wont elaborate but I know of a situation of Software expiring and the threat of lawsuits soon had it turned back on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f700es Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Autodesk really only supports the current version anyway, so I could not care less about discontinued support. My concern is that they'll expire the license, thereby deactivating the product. Well once it is installed there is nothing they can do. Now installing it again on say a new PC might be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nestly Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Well once it is installed there is nothing they can do. Now installing it again on say a new PC might be a problem. I'd only agree with that if you remove/disable all the communication features...and even then, if they expire the license it would still a violation to use it even if you've disabled their ability to deactivate it remotely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f700es Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 True on the violation of terms of use if you use past contract date. I disagree on the ability to remote deactivate. No proof of that ability that I have seen/heard of. In fact I asked about it when we were losing our educational facility discount. My rep said there was no way to do so. Now if she was being honest is the question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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