Dana W Posted May 21, 2014 Posted May 21, 2014 Anyone remember the Bruning non-ammonia repro machines? Smelled bad and had an oily feel to the prints because of the reactive agent they used. Kinda nasty.Same here. Those things were the biggest mistake Brunning ever made. A company I worked for in 1972 tried one and sent it back after only three days. l Quote
cadbad Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 Would love a complete copy of an old poem titled A Draftsmans Lament. It went something like this... a draftsman bent accross his board Great ideas in his head were stored and as he rubbed his throbbing bean he thought how can I make this hard to machine? I'll put the holes that hold the cap Way down there where they are hard to tap and I'll put in a right angle there and watch those planners tear their hair....... can anyone hlp? Quote
SLW210 Posted November 12, 2014 Posted November 12, 2014 I think this is what you seek.. "The Designer" The designer bent across his board With wonderful plans in his noggin stored, And said as he rubbed his throbbing bean: "How can I make this tough to machine? If this part here were only straight I'm sure the thing would work first rate, But 'twould be so easy to turn and bore... It never would make the machinists sore "I'd better put in a right angle there (Then watch those babies tear their hair!) And I'll put the holes that hold the cap Way down in here where they're hard to tap. "Now this piece won't work, I'll bet a buck, For it can't be held in a shoe or chuck; It can't be drilled and it can't be ground- In fact, the design is exceedingly sound." He looked again and cried, "At last! Success is mine! It can't even be cast!" Quote
Jman Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 I knew I was going to like it here. I also started my drafting career as a hand draftsman. On a funny note: I was working on the computer one day and one of the head architects was telling me (jokingly If that's an actual word.) how he could still survive without cad draftsmen. I told him that without us he was nothing but a hand job! Quote
f700es Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 I was had a guy tell me that he could "draft" faster than I could "cad". LOLOLOLOLOL Quote
Dadgad Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 I was had a guy tell me that he could "draft" faster than I could "cad". LOLOLOLOLOL That sounds like something that might only have been said a LONG time ago, maybe like Jman was talking about when 4MB of RAM was a lot! Quote
f700es Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 Yeah, it was 2005 I would say from AutoCAD r9 and up the race was over, imho. Quote
Dadgad Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 Pretty hard to imagine anybody who was sober at the time making such a claim nowadays. I would enjoy watching the race though! Quote
tzframpton Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 Yeah, it was 2005 I would say from AutoCAD r9 and up the race was over, imho.Somebody seriously said this to you in 2005? Wow, how naive can someone be. I would have taken that bet if I were you. Quote
rkent Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 I took a night class in late 1988 for AutoCAD and the first few nights I was thinking how I could draft faster than this computer stuff. Then we were shown the array command and then the block command and I saw the light right then and there. I knew that I had better learn all I could about this AutoCAD because this was going to be life changing. Quote
f700es Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 Somebody seriously said this to you in 2005? Wow, how naive can someone be. I would have taken that bet if I were you. No small wonder that I only worked for that company for 2 months before getting the h@ll out of there! I just laughed it off and went back to my desk. Now if $$ was going to be involved... Quote
f700es Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 I took a night class in late 1988 for AutoCAD and the first few nights I was thinking how I could draft faster than this computer stuff. Then we were shown the array command and then the block command and I saw the light right then and there. I knew that I had better learn all I could about this AutoCAD because this was going to be life changing. That and xrefs were more than 1 person can work on the same project at a time. What!!! Witchcraft I say!!! Quote
Jman Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 I don't think that in the past 20 years that I've ever had to start drawings from scratch. Most of the time I can find an existing floor plan or detail that I can saveas an modify to get what I need. I have my own folder that I put drawings that I might use later or even pieces of details or specialty items. On a funny note: I once drew some bathroom elevations in which I had drawn the toilet paper strewn all over the bathroom and I had the sink faucet on and the water overflowing onto the floor and I put graffiti on the walls. I also did some details in which I put ransom type text for lettering. I actually submitted the drawings to the Architect for review. Quote
f700es Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 I don't think that in the past 20 years that I've ever had to start drawings from scratch. Most of the time I can find an existing floor plan or detail that I can saveas an modify to get what I need. I have my own folder that I put drawings that I might use later or even pieces of details or specialty items. On a funny note: I once drew some bathroom elevations in which I had drawn the toilet paper strewn all over the bathroom and I had the sink faucet on and the water overflowing onto the floor and I put graffiti on the walls. I also did some details in which I put ransom type text for lettering. I actually submitted the drawings to the Architect for review. Please find this and share with the group I have had to start from scratch a few times. I have have to draw up a few buildings here on campus that did not have any thing but paper prints. Still WAY faster than hand drafting. Quote
David Bethel Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 For concept stuff, I can think of a few peeps that are probably faster than cad. Also I know some detailers would give it a good run as well on small pieces. As to start from scratch, more than have my work would have a clean slate. -David Quote
f700es Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 Yeah that's sketching David, not drafting Most drafters I know couldn't "sketch" their way out of a wet paper bag. To me that is art and stands on it's own. Honestly with AutoCAD Architecture's (ADT) Detail Component Manager I would race them. Sure it takes the "knowledge" out of it but it is SUCH a time saver. Quote
David Bethel Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 I'm WAY out of practice, but at 1 time I did a lot metal flashings that worked well with lined graph paper. For the shop guys this was suffencient and made production pretty simple. The drawing followed the path from pulling the metal, shearing, bending and forming right to delivery. Quote
f700es Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 Oh yeah, that would be fine for them. No point in over doing it. You conveyed your design intention and they produced it. Everybody wins. Quote
ParsonTim Posted January 3, 2016 Posted January 3, 2016 (edited) Holy smokes everybody. I still have everything mentioned in this thread, still in use next to my CAD station, (do we still call it that?) board included... Whenever I get ready to start building a drafting course, I actually draw it out from start to finish on the board... Then, when I'm happy with the result, it goes into CAD. Every single tool, or at least 99% of them, I have still in my arsenal with the exception of the blueprint machine. Call me redundant if you want, but it works for me. Now if I design a home, it's straight to the CAD from sketches and notes. Edited January 4, 2016 by ParsonTim correct spelling Quote
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