Ok, but Autocad is not a competitor with a program like Revit for instance. So why would a Revit user bash Autocad because it can't do the things that Revit can do? It's not supposed to be like Revit. It's not even in the same ballpark. And anyway, this guy is not a Revit user. He's coming from Datacad and he has admitted that he hasn't used Autocad since 2000, but rather than ask for help, he signed up just to complain, and that's my biggest problem with his post. I don't care if people don't like Autocad. I couldn't care less. But when someone has little to no experience with the program and they sign up for no other reason than to complain and post negative comments, that's not cool. This is a help forum, not the complaint department.